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Deism; belief in God should be based upon reason and logic. Description of the physical world should be based on science. The Supreme Being has created the universe perfectly, thus the fundamental laws and nature of the universe remains constant and unmutable. Champion the seperation of Chuch and State...

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1. Charles Darwin - championed the "Theory of Evolution," and with the "Descent of Man," contributed to the idea that mankind is a single species.
2. Thomas Jefferson - Founding Father and philosopher of the Enlightenment
3. Voltaire - Philosopher of the Enlightenment
4. Richard Dawkins - Famous Biologist of the 20th-21th century
5. Confucious - Founder of Confucianism
6. Lao Tzi - Founder of Daoism
7. Albert Einstein - Famous physicist of the 20th century. He was not Jewish in terms of religious ideology.
8. Stephen Hawkins - Famous physicist of the 20th-21th century
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10. George Bernard Shaw - British playwright
11. Neil deGrasse Tyson - Astrophysicist
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tiredbetch | July 26, 2008
haha, when i'm bored youtube keeps me entertained too!

no, no japs gving me trouble. i'm sure i can find some if i looked around...i just like to hate on them because they suck ;)

modehazard? i'm sorry, that word does not exist in my vocab nor do i acknowledge him.

i guess eternal damnation is a little harsh. better to bring them back as a cockroach ;)

what does "IMO" stand for?
Ginne86 | July 26, 2008
"Historical connection between Yue, Cantonese, and the
Guangdong region conquered by the Han Dynasty, called Nanyue for its relations to the Vietnamese Yue people.
"

I dont care for yue or cantonese or whatever. they onnly take up a small percent of the entire chinese population anyway. many mandarin speaking ppl do not like cantonese b/c of the dialect and the way they populated chinatowns in western societies. By the way, many Mandarin speaking and/or other dialect speaking ppl find Cantonese not a very good sounding dialect. and lets not start with vientmese. though its may sound a little bit similar to cantoese, compare to cantoesee, its wayy worse. haha. the ugliest languge in the world.
Ginne86 | July 26, 2008
Sorry, but i belive some Vietnamese look Chinese is because they've mixed with the Chinese, not the other way around.

Han is still Han, pure and all.

Vietnamesse however is not.

Why dont you point out that the southern vietnamese look as dark as diggas while the most northern vietnamese look lighter like southern Chinese is b/c some of them have mixed with Chinese.

Its the Vietnamese race that is mixed, not the other way around.
And let me point out the theres also 50+ ethnic race in vietnam.


Sowey.
Intranetusa | July 26, 2008
"so you could say the "Purest" Han would be the ones near the Middle of the country latitude wise and on the East Coast longitude wise."

Well, I'm not even sure of that. Historically, there has been a few instances when the empire shifted from the center to the south - sometimes accompanied by large migrations south as well.

During the Song Dynasty period, the Song empire gradually weakened from having to fight kingdoms in the south and Manchus, Mongols, Jurchens, etc in the north.

Eventually the government of the Song had to relocate to the south, while the entire northern, central, & western portion of the Song Dynasty was conquered and became the Jin Dynasty and Xia/Tangut Empire respectively- ruled by Jurchens and other groups.

(and other examples as well)
StormBreakLoose | July 26, 2008
so you could say the "Purest" Han would be the ones near the Middle of the country latitude wise and on the East Coast longitude wise.
Intranetusa | July 26, 2008
@StormBreakLoose

Hey, wutsup man. been a while

"I know the Chinese are Diverse, but exactly how Diverse are the Han. Because most Chinese are Han. you're Han right?"

Too be honest, it's complicated so I don't know very well either.

I think the Han sub-groups can be categorized in terms of ethnicity & mixing with other groups such as Korean, Manchu, etc - but the problem is historically, the sub-groups has been categorized in terms of linguistics/language and geography instead because it's simpler.

There definitely is an ethnic difference because the Han who conquered Manchuria and mixed with the natives there are obviously ethnically different than the Han who conquered & mixed with those in Southern Chinese regions, Nanyue, & Northern Vietnam.

I'll have to seek a "professional opinion" lol
Intranetusa | July 26, 2008
@tiredbetch
"i've been okay. in terms of youtube...just been talking shit about japanese as usual..."
Japanese Fascists giving you a hard time again? lol
Last week, I was arguing with far left protesters and brainwashed Chinese CCP commies. =/

btw, do you know modehazard?


"how have you been?"
I was bored...but youtube is keeping me entertained =)

@kaimana00
Same here. But for me, it depends a lot of the VP candidate. I'm most likely voting for McCain, but if he chooses that bat-sh*t insane evangelical Mike Huckabee, I'm voting for Obama...even if his VP is Hillary.
Intranetusa | July 26, 2008
I'm not very familiar with this topic, so I found some articles on wiki.

Historical connection between Yue, Cantonese, and the
Guangdong region conquered by the Han Dynasty, called Nanyue for its relations to the Vietnamese Yue people.

Guangdong and Nanyue
en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Nanyue

Yue and Cantonese
en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Cantonese_(linguistics)#Histor y


btw, have you heard of Chinahistoryforums(DOT)com ?

I'll ask the knowledgeable people there about the historical connections.
chinahistoryforum(DOT)com/index(DOT)php?showtopic=26575
Intranetusa | July 26, 2008
"you cannot tell MOST Han Chinese if they're Northern or Southern just by their appearance. ..Southern Chinese who look Northern and Northern chinese who look Southern."

That's true - some Southern Chinese are more mixed, some are less or not. The ones who are more mixed tends to be much darker in skin tone.

The same goes for Vietnamese and Southern Chinese. There are plenty of Vietnamese who look S. Chinese and some that even look Central Chinese, and vice versa.

"when we speak of in chinese societies, we mean it by difference in dialect and diet. We are all still the same ethnicity : Han Chinese."

True, but take a look at the Cantonese language wuth Standard HK dialect as opposed to the Mandarin language with the Standard Beijing dialect. Cantonese, even though it's Sino-Tibetan, has pronunciations that sound similar to those used by Vietnamese and Austro-Asiatic.
Intranetusa | July 26, 2008
"siblings from the same set of parent can look very different...one kid can be born with darker skin, the other one is born with lighter skin. "

That would only be a slight variation. But it's unlikely to have a child who has a brown skin tone and another who has ziyi zhang's skin tone...which would be the difference for Central Han vs a lot of Southern Chinese.

The difference is much too big. For example, take a look at Southern Chinese Bolo Yeung, who is from the region near HK.

en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Image:Boloy(DOT)jpg

He is probably darker than 75% of Vietnamese people, and looks like he's half Thai. And I've seen many many Southern Chinese who look like him.

I doubt this is because of the climate, because as a comparison, many Vietnamese look more Chinese than these types of Southern Chinese.